Re: Andy Reid vs Tom Landry vs Don Shula
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:06 am
He is tied with Gibbs and also has more conference championships than Gibbs
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Congrats to Andy. But I would still put Landry and Shula ahead of him. Andy is great play caller but he is essentially running a style of offense Bill Walsh created. Landry was an inventor himself and Shula was able to completely shift his style of offense around in order to keep on winning. And I'm still not impressed at all with these Chiefs teams from a historic standpoint. In every single Super Bowl they have played the opponent seemed to have the better team while they just had the better quarterback. If the NFL wasn't so intent on turning it into such a quarterbacks league than Reid would likely have zero championships. If Shula was playing in this era of football with Dan Marino under his belt who knows how many Super Bowls he would be winning.74_75_78_79_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:56 pm Congraduations, Andy!
This ought to move you past this debate IMO.
Next mountain to try to summit?
Joe Gibbs!
It really is difficult to compare as all a head coach needs these days to win championships is a great quarterback (which they usually didn't have much say in getting).racepug wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:25 am I dunno. I just don't think that A.R. is really all that special. Personally, I rate the likes of George Halas, Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, and even Tom Landry WAAAAAAAAY ahead of the likes of Andy Reid and Don Shula. Heck, I'm not even sure I'd rate Andy Reid (or Don Shula) ahead of Chuck Noll, John Madden, Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, or Joe Gibbs.
Jay Z wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:59 am Reid is being underrated here fairly significantly.
I said before the game the Chiefs would win and they would outcoach the 49ers. They outcoached the 49ers the last time, outcoached the Eagles, outcoached the 49ers again. I am very impressed by that. Above Landry, no question about it. Shula in the playoffs certainly.
They are winning on strategies and plays they are holding back for special occasions. Mahomes numbers are down significantly. Other than Kelce those receivers are crap, replacement level. About the level of the 1986 Giants. It affects Mahomes' numbers. Apparently Reid is significantly underrated on this board. I'll take up his cause.
Jay Z a lot of people here just don't think as much about the current era of the NFL. In order for many people here to begin putting people like Mahomes or Reid above coaches and players who played in eras where teams were about twice as loaded as they are now and you couldn't just compete for championships if you had a star quarterback and a good play caller they are going to need to do something similar to what Belichick or Brady did (and that is something they are still a long ways off from doing). As of this point they are only about where the Patriots were in 2004 (we all know that after 2004 the Patriots still had about another decade and a half at being at or near the top).Jay Z wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:59 am Reid is being underrated here fairly significantly.
I said before the game the Chiefs would win and they would outcoach the 49ers. They outcoached the 49ers the last time, outcoached the Eagles, outcoached the 49ers again. I am very impressed by that. Above Landry, no question about it. Shula in the playoffs certainly.
They are winning on strategies and plays they are holding back for special occasions. Mahomes numbers are down significantly. Other than Kelce those receivers are crap, replacement level. About the level of the 1986 Giants. It affects Mahomes' numbers. Apparently Reid is significantly underrated on this board. I'll take up his cause.
I wouldn't be quite that harsh on Reid but totally agree that he's overrated. He stupidly went for the two points without any reason to do so against the Bengals at the end of the first half of the AFC Championship and that stop was the first thing to slide momentum Cincinnati's way.CSKreager wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:59 amJay Z wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:59 am Reid is being underrated here fairly significantly.
I said before the game the Chiefs would win and they would outcoach the 49ers. They outcoached the 49ers the last time, outcoached the Eagles, outcoached the 49ers again. I am very impressed by that. Above Landry, no question about it. Shula in the playoffs certainly.
They are winning on strategies and plays they are holding back for special occasions. Mahomes numbers are down significantly. Other than Kelce those receivers are crap, replacement level. About the level of the 1986 Giants. It affects Mahomes' numbers. Apparently Reid is significantly underrated on this board. I'll take up his cause.
Reid is not underrated…. HE’S OVERRATED
KC wins in spite of Reid, not because of him
Outcoached? He’s still the same guy that was a generational choke artist until Mahomes fell into his lap.