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Manning's 88.5 in playoff appearances is just shy of his 97.5 regular season but relative to the opponents passer rating allowed he's 118% of what his normal regular season opponent allows and 120% of what his normal post season opponents allowed. This whole argument is a red herring. The same numbers for the magical Tom Brady are 118% and 112%, respectively. It would appear that Manning is notably more clutch than Brady. Put differently, as was already pointed out Brady and Manning had essentially the same post-season rating, but Brady's opponents typically allow a ~78 rating, Manning's are at a ~74 rating.

Indeed!
And how about a few nice words about the "magical" Baltimore - Whoops! - Indianapolis Colts who played a pretty solid game
to create the "Broncos' Loss."
When "The Horse" ran in it, I did not read about the "Giants' Loss" and the "Ice Bowl" did not echo the "Cowboys' Loss."

NWebster wrote:Manning's 88.5 in playoff appearances is just shy of his 97.5 regular season but relative to the opponents passer rating allowed he's 118% of what his normal regular season opponent allows and 120% of what his normal post season opponents allowed. This whole argument is a red herring. The same numbers for the magical Tom Brady are 118% and 112%, respectively. It would appear that Manning is notably more clutch than Brady. Put differently, as was already pointed out Brady and Manning had essentially the same post-season rating, but Brady's opponents typically allow a ~78 rating, Manning's are at a ~74 rating.

This should work for any decade.
Bart Starr must be off the charts using the same analysis. Other older QBs like Montana, Theisman, Anderson and Stabler must ,look very good in comparison.
Newer QBs like Rodgers, Warner and Brees should also be significantly above the 118% mark as well.

NWebster wrote:Manning's 88.5 in playoff appearances is just shy of his 97.5 regular season but relative to the opponents passer rating allowed he's 118% of what his normal regular season opponent allows and 120% of what his normal post season opponents allowed. This whole argument is a red herring. The same numbers for the magical Tom Brady are 118% and 112%, respectively. It would appear that Manning is notably more clutch than Brady. Put differently, as was already pointed out Brady and Manning had essentially the same post-season rating, but Brady's opponents typically allow a ~78 rating, Manning's are at a ~74 rating.

120% sounds impressive but Manning's regular season percentage the last 3 regular seasons are even higher. Comparing his passer rating in the regular season to the league average shows he was 126% above the league average in 2012, 137% above league average in 2013 and 116% above league average in 2014. We'd also have to see how the 118% stacks up historically to other QBs.
I am not saying he did terrible by any means but while his regular season performance has been almost without equal his post season performance has not.

Apbaball wrote:

NWebster wrote:Manning's 88.5 in playoff appearances is just shy of his 97.5 regular season but relative to the opponents passer rating allowed he's 118% of what his normal regular season opponent allows and 120% of what his normal post season opponents allowed. This whole argument is a red herring. The same numbers for the magical Tom Brady are 118% and 112%, respectively. It would appear that Manning is notably more clutch than Brady. Put differently, as was already pointed out Brady and Manning had essentially the same post-season rating, but Brady's opponents typically allow a ~78 rating, Manning's are at a ~74 rating.

This should work for any decade.
Bart Starr must be off the charts using the same analysis. Other older QBs like Montana, Theisman, Anderson and Stabler must ,look very good in comparison.
Newer QBs like Rodgers, Warner and Brees should also be significantly above the 118% mark as well.

Don't believe I nor anyone else said he was the best postseason QB ever. I'd expect Montana to look exceptional by any measure. But this Manning is a choker or cannot play in the playoffs stuff is frankly just ill informed. Heck Roethlisburger is probably a relatively worse playoff QB than Manning but happened to get to 3 and win 2 so he never has to hear about it. An aside, you probably underrate what a good passing QB Starr was in the regular season, he took toommany saxks, but he was great, not just some guy who showed up in the post-season.

NWebster wrote:

Apbaball wrote:

NWebster wrote:But this Manning is a choker or cannot play in the playoffs stuff is frankly just ill informed.

Over reliance on numbers and stats to build a case is also ill informed. Stats are just a product, they don't really explain performance, certainly not the cause of performance. Call him choker or not, the truth is Manning has a history of not playing well in the biggest games.

And it's his own fault. His immense talent, considerable intelligence, and dominating personality has resulted in him being the de facto offensive coordinator on his own teams, calling most of the shots. As a result, his teams are one dimensional and over-reliant on the QB. No problem in the regular season, but in the playoffs superior opponents can shut that down.

His game also lacks nuance; it's all 100 mph aggression. And when he runs into difficulty, his answer is to be even more aggressive and try to throw his way out of it. Because of his talent, that works for him most of the time. But in the playoffs, its the sort of approach that feeds into superior defenses' hands.

Sure, he's played long enough to have notched a few signature comeback wins passing the ball. But he's usually his own worst enemy when he gets himself into a pickle.