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Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:39 pm
by BD Sullivan
bachslunch wrote:
Just checked the all-time single season leaderboard for this stat over at pro-football reference. According to them, Plum's 1960 was never the greatest season ever using this stat at any time. According to them, it was Otto Graham's 1946 season, listed as 112.1. Were you excluding the AAFC for some reason? Also, his 1960 season currently ranks 14th all time, with all except Graham's coming since 1989, so he's nowhere near being the record holder now.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/l ... season.htm
No, just an oversight, but obviously the NFL never considered it. Their frame of reference must have also been post-war NFL, since Filchock's 1939 season also bettered it. I just remember the formula being attacked because of the Plum designation.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:49 pm
by Jeremy Crowhurst
Saban wrote:I think that the passer rating favors short passers over passers that throw more long passes. JMO.
Yeah, the formula basically gives double points for the same thing -- completion percentage and yards per attempt. Yards per completion would make a little more sense.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:59 pm
by Jeremy Crowhurst
BD Sullivan wrote:bachslunch wrote:BD Sullivan wrote:
Milt Plum, 1960 (the standard for ridicule directed at this rating)
Not familiar with this -- what was the issue? Just curious.
Just the fact that Plum was never considered an elite QB, yet he somehow ranks at the top of the list for the greatest season ever (110.4)--in which the Browns finished at 8-3-1, 1.5 games behind the Eagles. Note that the other four in his group either won a title that year or reached the title game.
Here are Plum's numbers for that year: 151-250 (60.4%), 21 TD's, 5 INT
Maybe if the team had a running back who was good as their quarterback, they would have done better. (Heh heh heh.)
That happens. You get guys with one big year, based largely on a fluke-low number of INTs, like Nick Foles' season with his 119.2 rating in 10 starts. Like Reaser often says, it's statistics removed from context.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:56 pm
by rhickok1109
BD Sullivan wrote:bachslunch wrote:BD Sullivan wrote:
Milt Plum, 1960 (the standard for ridicule directed at this rating)
Not familiar with this -- what was the issue? Just curious.
Just the fact that Plum was never considered an elite QB, yet he somehow ranks at the top of the list for the greatest season ever (110.4)--in which the Browns finished at 8-3-1, 1.5 games behind the Eagles. Note that the other four in his group either won a title that year or reached the title game.
Here are Plum's numbers for that year: 151-250 (60.4%), 21 TD's, 5 INT
Plum was the ultimate choke artist. He couldn't complete passes when the game was on the line. In fact, in crucial moments, he looked like Mickey Sasser trying to throw the ball back to the pitcher.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:10 pm
by mwald
rhickok1109 wrote:
Plum was the ultimate choke artist. He couldn't complete passes when the game was on the line. In fact, in crucial moments, he looked like Mickey Sasser trying to throw the ball back to the pitcher.
A lot like modern day Alex Smith, who some tout as an uber-efficient game manager based on his stats, but in reality is a stiff puppet incapable of making plays to win a game. If he makes one or two great plays vs. the Patriots in the playoffs this year, Chiefs win. Nope.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:41 pm
by BD Sullivan
rhickok1109 wrote:
Plum was the ultimate choke artist. He couldn't complete passes when the game was on the line. In fact, in crucial moments, he looked like Mickey Sasser trying to throw the ball back to the pitcher.
Didn't Alex Karras want to hit him for blowing the 1962 game in Green Bay?
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:56 pm
by mwald
BD Sullivan wrote:rhickok1109 wrote:
Plum was the ultimate choke artist. He couldn't complete passes when the game was on the line. In fact, in crucial moments, he looked like Mickey Sasser trying to throw the ball back to the pitcher.
Didn't Alex Karras want to hit him for blowing the 1962 game in Green Bay?
That story's been bandied about over the years with no one willing to step up and confirm it that I know of.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:14 pm
by Saban1
I have heard it a couple of ways. One was that Karras threw the helmet at Plum and the other is that Joe Schmidt did.
Plum's passer rating went way down after he was traded to Detroit. He did not have Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell to throw screen passes to in Detroit. A screen pass to Brown or Mitchell could turn out to be an 80 yard pass completion.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:26 pm
by BD Sullivan
Saban wrote:I have heard it a couple of ways. One was that Karras threw the helmet at Plum and the other is that Joe Schmidt did.
Plum's passer rating went way down after he was traded to Detroit. He did not have Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell to throw screen passes to in Detroit. A screen pass to Brown or Mitchell could turn out to be an 80 yard pass completion.
Plum got traded from Cleveland soon after he trashed Paul Brown for doing all the play calling.
Re: passer rating
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:49 pm
by Todd Pence
Plum's throwing away the 1962 opener to the Packers kind of makes him the Joe Pisarcik of his time.