Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

Yeah, I don't know if Hamer has the resume to warrant HOVG nomination; he really only had the one amazing season ane a couple good ones. There are other, more recent short-career players who are more deserving. He's right around where Feathers would be on my priority list; a guy I wouldn't mind to s...

Having done more research into Elmer Oliphant, I've come to find out that he's actually a very inner-circle College Football HOFer, and one of the best football players of the 1910s. Looking at his stats, I figured he was probably a highly regarded college player who left pro football for all the re...

Project update! Red Dunn NPR raws: 1924: 74.3 1925: 97.75 1926: 74.07 1927: 66.78 1928: 63.07 1929: 69.13 1930: 133.5 1931: 141.68 (non-qualifying) Career: 89.7 I honestly expected him to fare a bit better than this; I'd have predicted something closer to 100 than 90. It seems that simply adding Fri...

I think it's more about being the best at something than an overall consideration of value. On that measure, Hester doesn't come close to HOF, but he is the best ever at something that inherently does not provide a lot of raw value. The argument is basically that if someone is going to get in mainly...

Thanks, Reaser! I didn't think Clark had anywhere near his best year in 37, so that one's interesting. But it is taken care of. As a side note, since Bob alluded to this a few times, I am intentionally voting as a voter with all information in front of me. Not trying to put myself in the place of so...

My runners-up for the Friedman years are: 1927 - McBride 1928 - Lewellen 1929 - Nevers 1930 - Dunn All felt very obvious to me. If one is to legitimately dispute a Friedman year, it would have to be 1927, so McBride could have an argument for that, although you're pretty much just sacrificing some p...

Speaking of varying numbers, I came across a really old Coffin Corner article that gives Friedman 12 and 10 pass TDs in his first two years, instead of the common 11 and 9. Is this something that changed since like 1987 when this article was published, and if so, why?

Slater and Speedie got inducted already; not sure why they're still taking up space that could be used for other deserving HOVGers. Is it because the centennial class has come and gone, so given the difficulty of senior election, PFRA would prefer to keep its nominations at just two for now? If not,...

In 1938, the NFL unveiled its first ever most valuable player award, the Joe Carr Trophy. In the ten years it was actively awarded, I feel that most of its picks were well justified (though I can't understand Bob Waterfield over Sammy Baugh in 45...). But how about before that, which candidates woul...

Yeah, I feel like Rice could get quickly overwhelmed with the influx of more highly regarded pass rushers coming onto the ballot. I certainly wouldn't mind him getting elected though.