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Graham had an uncharacteristically bad year in 50, his worst ever rating and no black numbers, probably because it was his first year in the NFL. I'd say NVB deserved it but he was still sharing time with Waterfield. Possibly Layne or Ratterman.

Unofficial but credible tackle numbers for pre-90s linebackers? I've seen some ridiculous figures cited for players like Tommy Nobis and Gradishar, and they seem mythical and impossible to me (seriously, 21 tackles per game for Nobis as a rookie?!), but they're often cited in HOF cases for these pl...

I had some of the same questions for John a while back. He said Willey likely had 8 in that game, according to Paul Zimmerman who was there. The Eagles has 12 and Zimmerman says 8. I specifically asked about Len Ford and John mentioned he had a few monster years and some ordinary ones. What would a...

Thanks guys, definitely starting to make more sense. I'd imagine the All Pro in 1950 was for his rushing TDs. He was basically Whizzer White that year; an elite rusher but approximately Tyreek Hill quality at throwing the football. How a guy turns from Cecil Isbell to Whizzer White in the span of an...

Yep, definitely be joining soon, when I have enough spare time to get serious about it (college student). Rupert, the guy you're talking about is Norm Willey, right? He claims he had 17 sacks in a game due to an incentive bonus he got, but the incentive was actually for QB hits, not necessarily sac...

Someone please explain his career arc to me, because it's one of the oddest things I've ever seen. As a rookie he didn't play that much on offense but showed flashes, but he had 8 INTs on defense. Second year he became the best QB in the league, but did nothing on defense or on the ground, which wil...

Yep, definitely be joining soon, when I have enough spare time to get serious about it (college student). Rupert, the guy you're talking about is Norm Willey, right? He claims he had 17 sacks in a game due to an incentive bonus he got, but the incentive was actually for QB hits, not necessarily sack...

My top 2 tiers Tier 1: Rice Hutson Tier 2: Moss Alworth TO Hennigan Megatron Largent Berry is waaay overrated... only one 1000 yard season and was never better than alright again afterwards. Hennigan was the best receiver everyone has forgotten about, he and Groman (who was really good too) were th...

That's great to know. Yes, I am willing to do the research myself, so that's not a problem. Is this the same thing John Turney used to compile all the historical sack numbers? And PFRA has all the pertinent gamebooks if I pay registration, right? However, I suspect some deceptive inflation in some o...

Unofficial but credible tackle numbers for pre-90s linebackers? I've seen some ridiculous figures cited for players like Tommy Nobis and Gradishar, and they seem mythical and impossible to me (seriously, 21 tackles per game for Nobis as a rookie?!), but they're often cited in HOF cases for these pla...