Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

I'll throw my opinion in the mix. For HOF, right? Obviously I'd love to see Spec lol, but I know I'm never gonna get him. Other than him, the pre-50s guy I'd most want to see is probably Jim Benton. Now idk enough about Wayne Millner to judge his worthiness as a HOFer, but him getting in early and n...

Whoo, that escalated quickly. OK, to reorient, I caught a Benny Friedman reference in one of those posts, so let's gushingly praise him now, because he was also one bad, bad dude. Before the era of Baugh, Luckman, and Isbell began more than 10 years later, Friedman held all the career passing record...

Joe Theismann has comparable credentials to Cam - statistics aside - and he is not in the HOVG. Theismann seems like a totally adequate HOVG candidate to me too. On a similar level as, say, Milt Plum, who is also not in but I think both are as good or better than a few who are. Bert Jones too. Othe...

With respect to Sanders, I feel like the fact that he was passing AT ALL is an important point that's often overlooked. That kind of versatility is astounding in itself. I was guilty of overlooking the fact that George Blanda was a QB/K and that is important in its own right even if he had his faili...

Reaser said that Sanders' film looks amazing. However, I've also heard the accusation recently that Sanders' film doesn't look nearly as good as his stats. I'd like to be the judge of this myself. How much film of Sanders is there, and does PFRA have it? And what were the circumstances of Hirsch's r...

Hm, seems like this AAFC debate is rather contentious. You made great points, Reaser. I'm honestly not trying to suggest anything either way about the leagues in general, just pointing out things that seem to apply to specific players. Some NFL guys definitely had a harder time with the Browns sudde...

Love that Idea. The problem with Albert, Jones, and Lamonica is simply that they burned out young; they'd easily be HOF with longer careers, but hey, that's what HOVG is for. Albert's utter inability to adapt to the NFL is confusing. Romo has a chance, but I'd say HOVG too. I'd be very interested to...

I've been mean to QBs lately, so how about a candidate I think is a perfect fit for HOVG: Milt Plum? The man was lights out for a good 3 years with Cleveland. He feels like someone who should be in if, say, Tobin Rote is, and I don't mean that as a knock on Rote. Other than the obvious, guys who sho...

Ooh, good point about the kicking. I don't know why I didn't think it relevant, probably because he wasn't that much better than average. But him being a fairly good QB and kicker at once is indeed a huge resume boost, the kind of thing that makes you a first overall fantasy pick for years on end ev...

Rupert: I will grant you Sayers, I briefly forgot to consider his return prowess. I think Davis is a good comparison, however, and while Davis did have better output than Sims, I do like Davis as a HOFer; the main argument against, imo, is the amount of Olandis Garys and Mike Andersons thereafter wh...