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by CliffChristl
Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:55 pm
Forum: Football Talk
Topic: A question about NFL Recordkeeping
Replies: 12
Views: 18941

Re: A question about NFL Recordkeeping

First, Eric wanted me to give his email to you: aegoska@sbcglobal.net Also, Ralph's quote from Johnny Blood about Lewellen's punting was pretty much a universal opinion. Arthur Daley of The New York Times started covering the NFL in the early 1920s and wrote as late as Ray Guy's time that he never s...
by CliffChristl
Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:06 pm
Forum: Football Talk
Topic: A question about NFL Recordkeeping
Replies: 12
Views: 18941

Re: A question about NFL Recordkeeping

I asked Eric Goska if he had any numbers that might help you, and I'll post them here. First, if Eric is right about what you might be looking for, he's also correct in what he states about pre-1933 punting stats. Punting had little to do with the opposing team's defense. It was all about gaining an...
by CliffChristl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:59 pm
Forum: Football Talk
Topic: A question about NFL Recordkeeping
Replies: 12
Views: 18941

Re: A question about NFL Recordkeeping

It's a fascinating question and one that David Neft, who I believe belongs on the Mount Rushmore of pro football historians, and Eric Goska, the preeminent authority on Packers statistics, have researched about as thoroughly possible based on old newspaper play-by-plays, none of which were more thor...
by CliffChristl
Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:27 pm
Forum: Football Talk
Topic: Cliff Christl Packers team historian on 20s Packers
Replies: 4
Views: 1170

Re: Cliff Christl Packers team historian on 20s Packers

In response to Ralph, I'd say this. There's no way for any of us to know what different plays or formations that Lambeau might have included at different times and for different games. For example, on Hornung's 13-yard clinching TD against the Browns in the '65 title game, Zeke Bratkowski told me th...
by CliffChristl
Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:42 pm
Forum: Football Talk
Topic: Packers Senior Candidates
Replies: 11
Views: 1868

Packers Senior Candidates

I thought I had answered a question about the Packers senior Pro Football Hall of Fame candidates from long ago. But I don't see the post. Must have hit the wrong key. My apologies. I'd rate Lewellen, No. 1. No question. I think he is the most deserving player in the entire NFL not in the Hall. In f...
by CliffChristl
Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:14 pm
Forum: Football Talk
Topic: Cliff Christl Packers team historian on 20s Packers
Replies: 4
Views: 1170

Re: Cliff Christl Packers team historian on 20s Packers

I don't necessarily disagree with what Ralph wrote. The reason I didn't include some of it in my posts is that among the dozen or more players from Lambeau's 1930s and '40s teams that I've interviewed, some offered contradictory information. Lambeau in some of his interviews with others (not me) did...
by CliffChristl
Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:58 am
Forum: Football Talk
Topic: Green Bay Packers History
Replies: 2
Views: 729

Green Bay Packers History

Most importantly, I don't want to discourage anyone from researching and writing about pro football history. But beware of the many mistakes you'll find about Packers history in places you wouldn't expect. And if anyone has any questions when writing about Packers history feel free to contact me. He...