Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby JWL » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:06 pm

JuggernautJ wrote:
JWL wrote:Comparing the white receiver to the white receiver....


White or Wide??
I'm hoping that was an auto-correct...

White was intentional. The next small, quick white guy receiver coming into the league will be compared to Wes Welker, Wayne Chrebet, or Julian Edelman before he will be compared to Jarvis Landry.
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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby Reaser » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:33 pm

JWL wrote:White was intentional. The next small, quick white guy receiver coming into the league will be compared to Wes Welker, Wayne Chrebet, or Julian Edelman before he will be compared to Jarvis Landry.


Every white WR on the Cowboys is "like Edelman". It's not just coming into the league, either. Every white college, high school and even youth WR is Welker/Edelman. Lazy comparisons.

Agree with Harrison being a better professional football player than Bettis was.
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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby NWebster » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:28 am

Harrison might be the one player to whom I could contemplate personally attributing a championship too. As amazing as the INT return was at the time, had he not made it the completion of the game would be totally different. Is there a bigger single play swing? He essentially took 7 off the board for AZ and added 7 for the Steelers, AZ's expected point from that spot on the field is essentially indistinguishable. A 14 point play in a super bowl decided by less is - for a single play - massive.
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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby L.C. Greenwood » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:07 pm

NWebster wrote:Sort of odd though comparing Harrison to a Running Back. Harrison to me had ~3HOF seasons, 3~HOVG seasons and a bunch of other good seasons, feels very very HOVG to me. It is a shame that he'll be compared to Ware and given a demerit based on sack numbers when their responsibilities were so markedly different, though the average hall voter won't contemplate that even 34 OLB's can have different responsibilities. Hecl, Harrison's most famous play is one Ware could never make as he literally never dropped into coverage.


If Harrison finishes his career in the top five in sacks or tackles, that would be a comparison with a RB who finished in the top five at the time of his retirement in rushing yards. Harrison's late start to the career is problematic.
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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby sheajets » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:33 pm

Saturday should go in, but so should Nick Mangold who I believe was a bit better than him
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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby NWebster » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:24 am

L.C. Greenwood wrote:
NWebster wrote:Sort of odd though comparing Harrison to a Running Back. Harrison to me had ~3HOF seasons, 3~HOVG seasons and a bunch of other good seasons, feels very very HOVG to me. It is a shame that he'll be compared to Ware and given a demerit based on sack numbers when their responsibilities were so markedly different, though the average hall voter won't contemplate that even 34 OLB's can have different responsibilities. Hecl, Harrison's most famous play is one Ware could never make as he literally never dropped into coverage.


If Harrison finishes his career in the top five in sacks or tackles, that would be a comparison with a RB who finished in the top five at the time of his retirement in rushing yards. Harrison's late start to the career is problematic.


He really has the weirdest career shape you can imagine. The generic RB you describe is one that was usually not the best at his position ever. I'd argue Curtis Martin was never "scary" but compiled and made the Hall. Harrison has both a DPOY, and a long tail to his career, it's really the late start that's so unusual.
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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby L.C. Greenwood » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:56 am

NWebster wrote:
L.C. Greenwood wrote:
NWebster wrote:Sort of odd though comparing Harrison to a Running Back. Harrison to me had ~3HOF seasons, 3~HOVG seasons and a bunch of other good seasons, feels very very HOVG to me. It is a shame that he'll be compared to Ware and given a demerit based on sack numbers when their responsibilities were so markedly different, though the average hall voter won't contemplate that even 34 OLB's can have different responsibilities. Hecl, Harrison's most famous play is one Ware could never make as he literally never dropped into coverage.


If Harrison finishes his career in the top five in sacks or tackles, that would be a comparison with a RB who finished in the top five at the time of his retirement in rushing yards. Harrison's late start to the career is problematic.


He really has the weirdest career shape you can imagine. The generic RB you describe is one that was usually not the best at his position ever. I'd argue Curtis Martin was never "scary" but compiled and made the Hall. Harrison has both a DPOY, and a long tail to his career, it's really the late start that's so unusual.


You only have to be among the best at your position to earn HOF consideration and/or entry. Jerome Bettis was easily among the best RBs in the NFL during the 1993, 1996, and 1997 seasons. And he didn't have a great QB or passing game to help him out. His 1997 season yards per game rushing is superior to any of Frank Gore's seasons.
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Re: Jeff Saturday, James Harrison

Postby sluggermatt15 » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:36 pm

Both HOVG for sure.

Saturday has longevity on his side, playing in 200+ games. If he's HOF it might be some time. The other linemen who have been finalists for the last several seasons - Faneca, Boselli, etc. - will get in first.
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