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Re: Clark Shaughnessy

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:47 pm
by sluggermatt15
TanksAndSpartans wrote:
JeffreyMiller wrote:Be careful what you wish for, because it was solely one person picking names out of a hat of players he liked. If the person picking the names out of a hat was not knowledgeable or interested in early/pre-NFL, you will never get your preferred players.


I wasn't clear - I like the nomination process and the vetting by the committee. I'd prefer the hat to the third step, the voting.


For some of the candidates it is like splitting hairs, they are difficult to differentiate. May as well pull names out in those instances.

Re: Clark Shaughnessy

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 11:27 am
by Teo
TanksAndSpartans wrote:
JeffreyMiller wrote:Be careful what you wish for, because it was solely one person picking names out of a hat of players he liked. If the person picking the names out of a hat was not knowledgeable or interested in early/pre-NFL, you will never get your preferred players.


I wasn't clear - I like the nomination process and the vetting by the committee. I'd prefer the hat to the third step, the voting.


Please not give up on the HOVG. When I joined, I nominated George Kunz every year and many times he didn’t even reach the final 20, but he is finally in. As someone who was born in 1970, I have voted for players who saw as a child and growing up, yes (I have a picture with Everson Walls, who was one of my favorite players of the 80s and I voted him when he became eligible last year) but I also nominated and voted for Youngstrom, Emerson and Latone, amongst others pre-50s players.

Re: Clark Shaughnessy

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:14 pm
by sluggermatt15
Teo wrote:
TanksAndSpartans wrote:
JeffreyMiller wrote:Be careful what you wish for, because it was solely one person picking names out of a hat of players he liked. If the person picking the names out of a hat was not knowledgeable or interested in early/pre-NFL, you will never get your preferred players.


I wasn't clear - I like the nomination process and the vetting by the committee. I'd prefer the hat to the third step, the voting.


Please not give up on the HOVG. When I joined, I nominated George Kunz every year and many times he didn’t even reach the final 20, but he is finally in. As someone who was born in 1970, I have voted for players who saw as a child and growing up, yes (I have a picture with Everson Walls, who was one of my favorite players of the 80s and I voted him when he became eligible last year) but I also nominated and voted for Youngstrom, Emerson and Latone, amongst others pre-50s players.


Agree. Continue to nominate guys who are deserving. When the same names continue to be on the ballot, it signifies there is a push for them to get in.

Latone is a finalist again this year. I feel like he is one of the top candidates. My guess is he will be elected.

Re: Clark Shaughnessy

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:47 pm
by Brian wolf
I love your opinions TAS but Haynes I believe should be in the HOF, much less the HOVG ... we all know that his career took a dive going to Denver and competing with Gilchrest no less. I understand his fumbling issues but one of the most exciting players along with Timmy Brown ...

Re: Clark Shaughnessy

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:50 pm
by TanksAndSpartans
Thanks Brian. I appreciate that. Funny you mention Gilchrist, I just read on another board that he had as much talent as Jim Brown. I didn't comment though - I know the AFL historians are pretty passionate, so I pick my spots. I think we all have our favorite players, but I try to promote players based on resume. When the Centennial Class was first announced, the first player I wanted on the list was Glenn Presnell, but when I stepped back and looked at it, I actually came up with 10 I felt were more deserving.

Re: Clark Shaughnessy

PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:36 pm
by Brian wolf
Look, we all know that Jim Brown was a great player, especially with his speed and size. I also believe Gilchrist was great as well. More power than speed but a far superior blocker than Brown. I wont say he is better, though Cookie could kick and play linebacker as well but had Paul Brown kept him, he wouldnt have drafted Brown.