Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby rewing84 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:38 am

If they go more living I'd be content
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby TanksAndSpartans » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:46 am

rewing84 wrote:If they go more living I'd be content


Opposite for me, but that does seem to be the direction given the two coaches selected.
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby sluggermatt15 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:28 pm

I'm interested to see if Donnie Shell will be inducted as part of the Centennial Class.
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby rewing84 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:36 pm

TanksAndSpartans wrote:
rewing84 wrote:If they go more living I'd be content


Opposite for me, but that does seem to be the direction given the two coaches selected.

Understandable if one of the selections is wistert I'd be happy
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby TanksAndSpartans » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:26 pm

Dilweg is #1 for me, we'll see tomorrow.
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby JohnTurney » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:35 pm

My ranks

Modern ranks
Gradishar, Karras, Pearson, Shell, Branch, Craig, Harris, Covert, Nobis, Hill, Carmichael

Old timer ranks
Wistert, Emerson, Dilweg, Lewellen, Slater, Dillon, Speedie, Isbell, and Sprinkle

as for predictions
Slater, Wistert, Speedie, Karras, Pearson, Shell, Branch, Nobis, Branch edit: meant Carmichel, was told I put Branch twice, Dilweg,

Sabol, George Young, Tagliabue
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby bachslunch » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:18 pm

JohnTurney wrote:My ranks

Modern ranks
Gradishar, Karras, Pearson, Shell, Branch, Craig, Harris, Covert, Nobis, Hill, Carmichael

Old timer ranks
Wistert, Emerson, Dilweg, Lewellen, Slater, Dillon, Speedie, Isbell, and Sprinkle

as for predictions
Slater, Wistert, Speedie, Karras, Pearson, Shell, Branch, Nobis, Branch, Dilweg,

Sabol, George Young, Tagliabue


Thanks, John. Boy, do I ever hope your predictions are right. Dilweg, Slater, Wistert, and Speedie would make me really, really happy.

Good Contributor choices also, can live with these fine. Will be very surprised if Tags isn’t one of them, as he’s not getting in otherwise.

BTW, you’ve got Branch twice. Maybe Gradishar? I’ll be kind of surprised if he doesn’t make it.
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby bachslunch » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:22 pm

sluggermatt15 wrote:I'm interested to see if Donnie Shell will be inducted as part of the Centennial Class.


My guess is yes, especially after seeing Bill Cowher get in. Dick LeBeau is on the committee, and I’d bet he had his share of influence.
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby JohnTurney » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:01 am

bachslunch wrote:
BTW, you’ve got Branch twice. .


Sorry, my bad, I meant Carmichael as a prediction
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Re: Class of 2020 will be announced next Wed

Postby JohnTurney » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:43 am

Lets say some of my predictions are right, and there is no sure way to know, we,I guess,
have to accept that voters can ignore the historical record of a player's "resume" for
lack of a better word and have to allow the "testimony" thing take a bigger role

With Carmichael, we know his numbers, okay---and he know his honors (never consensus)
but was All-Pro once and second-team a couple of times. Let's say
he's "above the line" in 1973, 1974, 77-80 but he's not far above the line
as in consensus All-Pro. That does set or lower the bar

The stories will be "he's 6-8 and was dominate from 1973-82" and was this and that
but "no one could cover him" and "he changed the game" and "he was the FIRST big
WR that you saw dominate in the 1990s-2000s. That kind of thing.

ANd maybe some is true, though I would doubt some of that, it just means
the door is wide open for any 1-time All-Pro that a case can be made for.

People forget Tommy Nobis was just 1-time All-Pro and then 5-6
seasons "above the line".

If he gets in, re-read Carmichael.
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