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Nick may or may not confirm Speaking of Nick, I liked the "Defeat Factor" article he had in one of the recent "Coffin Corner" issues. Combining sacks and stuffs for an overall defensive stat. I wonder how and where Greene and Haley rank in that? . Greene 60.5 stuffs, 160 sacks =...

If someone wanted to use a stat to show pass rush ability I'd rather see hits, hurries and sacks combined, or something along those lines. Relatively speaking, putting pressure on the QB is important, but the sack as a standalone statistic really isn't.. I get that . . .but Nick may or may not conf...

I've heard that argument . .. (cut for forum space) Let's use J.J. Watt, who we know is a great player who - unlike many who get sacks - isn't solely defined as a player by his # of sacks. Well he had 20.5 this season and played 1050 snaps, so the sack stat accounts for less than 2% of the snaps he...

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JohnTurney wrote:
I'd like to see his scores for Dwight Stephenson and Mike Webster.

Stephenson 7 blues, Webster 9 blues and 3-4 high reds. Both off the charts . . .maybe two best all time.

Greene over Haley because of the longer career and likely more quality seasons. Both have reasonable HoF arguments, and am fine with either getting in. I think both get it, but the order is the question. . . I am hearing they cancel each other out. Team Haley votes just for him and team Greene vote...

What is a glorified TFL stat? Do you mean his 160 sacks? or the 60 stuffs? Sacks. It wasn't in direct response to you. I meant in general I'd like to see an argument for Greene without using sacks. I've always thought sacks were an overrated stat and I've never liked how much emphasis is placed on ...

Mike Giddings, a former NFL assistant coach and longtime operator of Pro Scout, Inc., an independent evaluator of players for teams, rates Shields as the No. 2 guard behind Matthews among those he has studied since beginning his service in 1977. He ranked 2012 Hall of Fame inductee Larry Allen as No...

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JohnTurney wrote:
I liked Greene but never thought of his as a HOF'er while watching him. I'd really like to see someone put together an argument for him without using the glorified TFL stat.

What is a glorified TFL stat? Do you mean his 160 sacks? or the 60 stuffs?

I saw a quote from Greene a couple weeks ago where he said something along the lines of that he was better than L.T. because he played longer and was more productive . . . “I have the utmost respect for Lawrence Taylor,” Greene told me. “I tried to emulate him and I did all I could be try and be li...

Veeshik_ya wrote:Irritating, obsessive, or juvenile...maybe. Obtuse? Never.

Cross out "maybe". It's definitely Irritating, obsessive, and juvenile.